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Transwatch Response to the Article: “A
new book answers Transwatch claims” with comments on Transwatch claims |
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2 April 2009 |
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Transwatch response |
Facts |
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A personal attack in his new web page Railloons, (15.12.06) –
something he claims only others do. In it he disputes the statement that
“the railway conversion idea initiated by Brigadier Lloyd was
demolished by road engineers & operators at an Institution of Civil
Engineers debate in 1955”.
He claimed that “the debate following the original discussion
lasted until 1958. Most of that occurred in the pages of the then prestigious
magazine, The Engineer”. In a BBC web page (27.3.07), he stated that “Lloyd read his
paper at the Institution of Civil Engineers in 1955. That led to three years
of correspondence in the then prestigious magazine The Engineer”. |
He has been misinformed.
After reporting the 1955 debate, there was no debate on conversion in The
Engineer until 1958. In 1958, it
published 31 letters from 13
supporters - 58% were members of the Railway Conversion League, 72% from
Brig. Lloyd himself. None were from the road industry. Hardly proof of
independent acclaim! In contrast, there were 43 letters from 37 people opposing the idea, all but
two from non-railway sources. Interestingly, a major conference was held in November 1957 on how to tackle road
congestion. It was advertised in The Engineer, August 1957. There was no
mention of conversion or Brig. Lloyd in the agenda, list of speakers or
subsequent report. The conference organisers were aware of the idea - one of
the lead speakers, a road engineering expert, spoke at the 1955 debate. The
conference & its implicit rejection of the idea, was followed by a
meeting of a newly formed Railway Conversion League in Jan 1958, (The
Engineer 31.1.58) The paper was not simply
‘read’ out. There was a critical debate in which 4 rail & 10 road experts dismissed his plan as impractical & dangerous,
with carefully argued facts. Only 5 - none were road engineers or operators -
gave what The Engineer (6.5.55), described as ‘grudging support’. It stated that Brig.
Lloyd “has still to give his reply to the various speakers’
remarks” - indicative of an ill-prepared paper. Withrington claims elsewhere that Lloyd or a supporter measured rail
formations, contrary to findings in “Railway
conversion - the impractical dream”. Editorials in The Engineer
called on Lloyd to prove his proposal with details, & “doubted the
answers would prove favourable to the idea”. Letters from supporters
in The Engineer confirm that the formation had not been measured. They
said it was enough for Lloyd to think up the idea & for government to
prove or disprove it. One letter argued (The Engineer 21.2.58) that it was a
“novel idea” for someone to have to go to that length having set
out his theory. On that basis, all inventors should get government cash to
develop any unproven idea. If conversion was practical, there would have
been no shortage of finance to develop a case. Lloyd quoted from a
document setting out government railway dimensional standards, introduced in
1858, when most railways had already been built to lesser standards. It did
not demand retrospective action. By that date, Board of Trade returns show
10,002 miles had opened, “The Railway in England & Wales 1830-1914,
by Jack Simmonds states [p.50] that: “of today's (1978) mileage, 2/3
was complete by 1854 – 4 years before the government standard was
imposed. |
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His only other comment in this website, on the article, which has 34 points demolishing conversion
theory, states: ‘Mr Gibbins asserts that our fuel consumption
comparisons are based on “one hypothetical lorry – fully loaded
by weight – with an average for all freight trains”. That is not
true. Instead we hypothecated a lorry carrying 30 tonnes on its outbound
journey & empty on its return. Hence the average load was 15 tonnes.
Of course not all lorries replacing the rail function may carry 30 tonnes,
but (a) it is true to say that the around 60 percent of rail freight is bulk
freight (b) many lorries may return with a half load. |
“Not all lorries may carry 30t” is an admission not mentioned
in the original web site. The vehicle is hypothetical because it has no
registration number, no owner, no journey, no loading & off-loading time,
no maintenance nor fuelling time – & that is for starters.
Moreover, lorries carrying bulk loads: coal, oil, iron ore, cement, chalk,
clay, flyash, etc. which represent most of the bulk traffic have no prospect
at all of a return load. Finally, it was compared with the average of all
freight trains, rather than taking the strictly comparable scenario of a
fully loaded freight train returning empty – e.g. an MGR coal train
carrying 1500 imperial tons out,
empty back – average = 750 imperial
tons. & that is neither hypothetical nor hypothecated! |
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Rail freight falls into two primary groups: bulk by weight,
& bulk by volume. The latter includes cars, or car components moved
between factories. A road transporter would carry, say 8 cars, about 6 tonnes
out, zero return = 3 tonnes average compared to the average 15 he claims. As
these cars are often dropped at more than one destination, the tonne-miles
falls even more. He allows for no terminal turnround time - eg at a colliery
or port - & fails to identify which entrepreneur would buy thousands of
lorries to create the |
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Finally, Withrington concludes
“this book [“Railway Conversion – the impractical
dream”] should be treasured as an illustration of the extraordinarily
inaccurate comment typical of the railway lobby”. |
This conclusion is made from a 3 line extract of a 223 page book which
examines conversion proposals made since 1954, & catalogues their
impracticalities. Hundreds of conversionist flaws catalogued in this book are
not challenged – which includes a chapter on Transwatch claims, &
three Chapters on the Hall/Smith scheme, which he praises, & other
chapters covering other proposals & exposures of the facts of actual
‘conversions’. The three lines, which are in the Preface, merely
set out how I came to hear of Conversion. |
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Included in the 32 points ignored, was the fuel reduction arising from
transferring Stobhart lorries to rail. When he later addressed this point
elsewhere, he claimed that these lorries would use less fuel on converted
railways than on existing railways, which means that they would use less fuel
on converted railways than motorways. |
This defies belief. Converted
railways would have thousands of delay & accident inducing flat
junctions, level crossings & right hand turns, in contrast to motorways which
have none. Frequent braking for traffic lights & vehicles crossing ahead
– often against red lights - would inevitably increase fuel
consumption. |
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